Zezo forum: Europa - Ranking completely off

Europa - Ranking completely off

Post by turtle 1663 | 2020-08-06 | 14:18:00

Sailing next to leaders but my ranking is 18000? Anyone else having this issue?

Thanks

66 Comments

Post by Hardtack | 2020-08-06 | 14:20:41

YourMomSA is currently #1, ranking looks fine to me ;-)

But seriously, there was no gate yet, you can't have done anything wrong. Just relax and wait. We all know VR ranking is unintelligible and inconsistent most of the time.

Post by turtle 1663 | 2020-08-06 | 14:22:28

What do you see for Turtle1663 ?

Post by turtle 1663 | 2020-08-06 | 14:24:37

I have Elcano as nr 1. Mom not in top 50

Post by Hardtack | 2020-08-06 | 14:27:28

I must confirm it is strange. I see you half a mile ahead of me, ranked #18445. my own ranking varies between 150 and 1300.

Post by turtle 1663 | 2020-08-06 | 14:29:44

I know, it�s wrong. I�ve send them an email so should know shortly before x-mas. Thanks for looking!

Post by YourMomSA | 2020-08-06 | 16:11:09

Don't worry about it at the start of a race. The fleet is so tightly packed that minor inaccuracies can make differences of thousands of positions. And per the discussion in Freudenoli's "boat position..." thread, rankings can be based on positions that are off by as much as 4 minutes.

The ranking stabilizes as the fleet spreads out. In some races (like this year's Fastnet), it stays close enough the whole way for the ranking to be a continuous exercise in frustration. Hopefully in an event like Europa, it will be less frustrating by Day 2 or 3.

Post by turtle 1663 | 2020-08-06 | 17:41:38

Thanks, I hope so. My ranking is way outside the expected tracking error, anything between 1 and 1-2000 would be perfectly within expectations considering the close pack, but 18000 is just wrong. Next to you on your port side

Post by Velaska | 2020-08-06 | 19:50:05

Yes, something is really wrong with your ranking, I see you just ahead Pinouche, who is given the 89th position now. But you are 19269th if I click on you ! that's very odd..

Post by turtle 1663 | 2020-08-06 | 20:13:17

Yes, thank you. Awaiting a reply from VR :-(

Post by YourMomSA | 2020-08-06 | 22:20:57

Weird. Your DTF hasn't changed. It's like the server still has you sitting at the starting line. I don't think it's increasing either, right? Just stuck. Hopefully that means if you keep racing, they'll be able to fix it. I've never seen that before.

If it was increasing, I'd say maybe you somehow sailed on the wrong side of an invisible gate or something like that... (which should be impossible if invisible gates are defined correctly). But that doesn't seem to be the case.

Post by Hardtack | 2020-08-06 | 22:36:15

YourMomSA is actually right. I just looked at your path on the Dashboard map - you managed to sail on the wrong side of an invisible gate covering the Gulf of Trieste. That should not be possible of course, as YM said.

It is possible that your arrival will not be acknowledged if VR does not correct this but you'll only find out when rounding the only visible mark in this race at Ilha do Faial.

(sorry for the monster size image)

Post by turtle 1663 | 2020-08-07 | 06:30:10

Thanks, that could well be the invisible issue. Not sure why they would even put this mark up there? Where can I find this dashboard map?

DTF/ranking changes but never past a certain level and then it springs back again.

Post by turtle 1663 | 2020-08-07 | 08:03:44

Found the dashboard. https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/vr-dashboard/amknkhejaogpekncjekiaolgldbejjan?hl=en

Won�t install it though, I like to do things manual

Thanks

Post by BooBill | 2020-08-06 | 21:00:13

Maybe you crossed the line early? Did you do your penatly turns?

Post by turtle 1663 | 2020-08-07 | 06:39:27

:-) happened +/- 1.5h ingame

Post by Fireabend | 2020-08-07 | 04:20:06

I have the same problem. Was sitting onground right next to the invisible gate. The distance to finish line is increasing. I realy hope that vr can fix this :-(

Post by turtle 1663 | 2020-08-07 | 06:37:42

Yes I can see, same issue :-(

Did you send a support ticket?

They probably can fix this, maybe not exactly, but not convinced they can be bothered. I guess it depends how many boats are affected.

Good luck to all affected

Post by Fireabend | 2020-08-07 | 07:29:47

Yeah i did send a support ticket.
On the official forum someone said, that the hidden gates are only for the ranking. At the next hidden gate or at the finish line it should count correctly. Hope so

Where is the next hidden gate?

Post by turtle 1663 | 2020-08-07 | 07:50:55

Ok. Maybe @hardtack can chime in here. In the land of the blind Hardtack is king :-)

Thanks

Post by Hardtack | 2020-08-07 | 08:29:22

I can't really add anything to what vicacapourso said on the VR forum.
The next invisible gate is at the exit of the Adriatic Sea.

In addition to 'visibility', gates also have an 'engine' property. The Gulf of Trieste and the Adriatic Sea gates both have engine=true.

I think this means the gates are mandatory, but I'm not sure.

Post by turtle 1663 | 2020-08-07 | 14:55:27

Thanks anyway. Can you spare a screenshot where the next ghost line is.

Still no reply from support, what a joke

Post by Hardtack | 2020-08-07 | 18:23:40

You passed it, but it looks like your ranking did not rectify.
http://bitweide.de/exported/img/Adriatic.png

Post by Xyzeq | 2020-08-07 | 12:49:29

I�m a relative beginner in this game but read from various sources that all/any actual boat position can be extremely inaccurate. The lat long position on individual boat ticket and 3D window do not tally as there is always some delay. Clicking on any boat in race view window can make boat/boats jump forward to a new position except usually your own boat and boat tracks can be seen if clicked again, I think. I�m pretty sure none of these windows agree with one another because of inherent delay from server/internet. Any thoughts?

Post by Fireabend | 2020-08-07 | 13:22:35

The reason for that is that the game update your boat position every 5mins,but you see your boat position updated every 60s. That can make a huge difference, if the fleet is together.

The bug i have is realy a problem with a gate, because the distance to the finish line is still raising.

In some hours we will see, if the next gate is fixing it.

Post by turtle 1663 | 2020-08-07 | 13:36:57

No reply back yet I suppose. Neither did I get one. So much for support ....

IT�S A `PONZI SCHEME

Post by Xyzeq | 2020-08-07 | 13:49:31

I did know that, but didn�t want to go into too much detail. Assuming most of you guy/gals knew this!

Post by BooBill | 2020-08-07 | 15:08:19

@Zyzeq All boat positions are updated on the server every 5 minutes. In between that your boat will appear to move on the client (graphics you see) every minute. Other boats will always move only if you click them. They will move to where they were at the last server update. Therefore, other boats are usually further ahead of were you see them on screen. Your boat is more recent, but that is only a local projection.

The best view you can get is to wait for the server update (you might hear an audible click sound), then click on every boat you are interested in. That will give as close as you can get to a shot with everyone at the same time. In 1 minute your boat will move, the other will not. VRDashboard extension shows you all the info in tabular form including the time stamp of each update.

Pro Tip: Ignore the 3D view. It adds no value what so ever.

Post by Lazy_Hikers_Finland | 2020-08-07 | 17:00:29

@Boobill What do you mean with the Pro Tip? I am just now enjoying a beautiful sunset over the peninsula of Salento in the game 3D. I can allmost see people eating pasta al vongole in the little harbourettes along the coast.

Post by turtle 1663 | 2020-08-07 | 17:51:03

Love it :-))

Post by BooBill | 2020-08-07 | 18:38:03

@azy_Hikers_Finland No you can't. All you can see is an uncrewed boat that is giving you no strategic value.

The nav station on an offshore boat is usually inside with no view. Just charts and instruments. I'm keeping it real :)

Post by Fireabend | 2020-08-07 | 18:39:16

Passed the next hidden gate, but the problem is still there.
No answer from the support yet.

Post by turtle 1663 | 2020-08-07 | 19:00:25

Same here, what a joke

Post by turtle 1663 | 2020-08-08 | 10:31:38

Are you good now?

Post by Xyzeq | 2020-08-07 | 19:20:26

Thanks BooBill

Post by YourMomSA | 2020-08-07 | 20:21:29

Probably good if someone posts Hardtack's image from Dashboard (above) into the VR forum on this topic. That will make it clear if anyone from VR looks at it exactly what the problem is.

Post by turtle 1663 | 2020-08-07 | 22:22:49

Done, thanks!

Post by BooBill | 2020-08-08 | 02:57:21

Hey guys, heads up. Same situation exists at the next gate. The north end of the invisible gate is in open water offshore of Isola delle Correnti. I'm certain a bunch of guys are going to cut between the island and mainland and get a rude surprise.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kgofqjmoymcbrsn/Screen%20Shot%202020-08-07%20at%2010.51.16%20PM.png?dl=0

Post by turtle 1663 | 2020-08-08 | 04:16:01

There is no open water between Isola delle Correnti and the mainland on the VR map but there is between the pin and the island

Post by turtle 1663 | 2020-08-08 | 08:12:00

FYI

Second post, the first one was deleted.

Deleting/ignoring urgent support requests does not solve players issues. Has your support ever helped out a player? Have they ever responded? The rankings are completely off due to a wrong pin placement by VR in the Europa race and a lot of players are affected. Please respond to their support tickets VR and correct their rankings!!!!!!!!!!!

https://forum.virtualregatta.com/topic/12862-vr-not-responding-to-ranking-issue-due-to-wrong-hidden-pin-placement/

Post by turtle 1663 | 2020-08-08 | 10:00:44

I just checked and it looks like it�s solved, or at least they are working on it.

Post by turtle 1663 | 2020-08-08 | 10:19:28

All of a sudden I�m nearly 1h behind the leaders :-( looks like I was set back/penalized for shouting out. Damn frogs

Post by turtle 1663 | 2020-08-17 | 08:19:12

Jessica (Virtual Regatta Offshore)

Aug 17, 2020, 10:07 AM GMT+2

Hello,

Thank you for your message.

I am sorry to hear you are encountering issues in the game.
The game team is aware of this issue and is doing its best to fix it in further updates.

Thank you for your patience and understanding.

Post by DancingBrave | 2020-08-08 | 12:03:42

"All of a sudden I�m nearly 1h behind the leaders...penalized for shouting out"
I just logged in to find out I've suddenly lost an hour too.
I haven't shouted to anybody :(

update: my autosail hasn't triggered and is showing as not set in VR UI despite having 8hrs left as showing in dash board.
i.e. has been on for last 4 hours :( Consequently, Light Gen not swapped for Spinnaker 5knots instead of 9knots boatspeed

Image showing autosail set but not triggering:
https://ibb.co/3p0DcMz
(sorry, don't know code to embed)

Post by turtle 1663 | 2020-08-08 | 12:51:16

Sorry to hear that mate. Did you also suffer the ranking issue before?

Post by BooBill | 2020-08-08 | 12:53:51

A couple of hours ago the nominal leader was heading up towards the Straits of Messina. Anybody following him or note his name? He's dropped off the lead and since he wasn't anyone I follow he's dissapeared. I seriously considered that path and would like to see how it turns out.

Post by turtle 1663 | 2020-08-08 | 12:56:02

Rafal71-TPN

Post by Hardtack | 2020-08-08 | 13:00:25

Oh, Rafal71 is much further ahead. Didn't see him.

Post by Hardtack | 2020-08-08 | 12:56:57

I think it was Sozinho@TPN, at least I saw him ranked #1 once and taking this route.

Post by Fireabend | 2020-08-08 | 16:00:38

I am still waiting for a fix or any response :-(

Post by BooBill | 2020-08-08 | 20:00:29

That's the guy I was looking for. It's going to be a photo finish at Gibralter.

Post by Velaska | 2020-08-08 | 23:53:24

Is the Azore's gate gonna have a similar problem ? On VR the mark is on the ground, on the dashboard map is in the middle of the sea.

Post by BooBill | 2020-08-09 | 00:44:49

Looking at the VR Dashboard map, Checkpoint 7.9 is the bouy you have to round and that is in the middle of the island. However, in addition they appear to have an invisible gate with Checkpoint 7.8 just off the western tip of the island and connecting to another checkpoint in Venezuela.

I can see what they are trying to do, which is give a more accurate representation of ranking order as you round the island. In previous races I can remember cases where the bouy was well inland and it showed the guy closest to the island in the lead, as apposed to the boat furthest ahead.

However, who ever placed the invisible checkpoints for this race was pretty sloppy.

Post by turtle 1663 | 2020-08-09 | 15:12:58

Rafal71 incoming from NE!! Good attempt

Post by turtle 1663 | 2020-08-11 | 12:05:15

VR got the buoy colors wrong in the straits. South should be Green and North should be Red, to stay within nautical definitions.

Post by turtle 1663 | 2020-08-11 | 12:08:34

and it�s possible again to sail between green and Tarifa but routing probably won�t take you there. Would be nice though to see my friends over there!

Post by turtle 1663 | 2020-08-17 | 09:43:38

EditEdit this post ReplyReply to this postPost by iconPost by turtle 1663 | 2020-08-08 | 10:19:28
All of a sudden I�m nearly 1h behind the leaders :-( looks like I was set back/penalized for shouting out. Damn frogs
EditEdit this post ReplyReply to this postPost by iconPost by turtle 1663 | 2020-08-17 | 08:19:12
Jessica (Virtual Regatta Offshore)

Aug 17, 2020, 10:07 AM GMT+2

Hello,

Thank you for your message.

I am sorry to hear you are encountering issues in the game.
The game team is aware of this issue and is doing its best to fix it in further updates.

Thank you for your patience and understanding.

Post by BooBill | 2020-08-17 | 10:26:31

So, what was the final outcome? Did your position automaticaly corrected after the next gate, or were you classified DNF?

Post by turtle 1663 | 2020-08-17 | 10:43:54

The never came back to me, other then this message from today. At some point, SE of Sicily, my ranking was corrected but I was set back more than an hour from being with the usual suspects. They just don�t communicate and Jessica is just a bot as far I�m concerned. Thanks for asking!

Post by turtle 1663 | 2020-08-17 | 10:57:08

I don�t know how to post images here, but my historic route/line just starts SE of Sicily, there is no history back to the start. They may have just done it at the throw of a dice/manually

Post by BooBill | 2020-08-17 | 12:43:32

In the Dashboard log you'd have your lat lon every 5 minutes through the race. You could see if you just jumped to a spot behind were you were 5 mins earlier. That's if you haven't closed your browswer since then.

Post by turtle 1663 | 2020-08-17 | 13:32:58

Thanks, but I only installed the dashboard recently. Never mind, we all have to deal with it from time to time. Better luck next time!

Post by YourMomSA | 2020-08-18 | 13:47:55

So glad this damn race is almost over. I'm skipping Summer Race. I need a break.

Post by BooBill | 2020-08-18 | 15:30:55

It was a tough race for sure. Big gains and losses. Bizzare route solutions sometimes. I for one quite enjoyed it, in the end.

Post by YourMomSA | 2020-08-18 | 15:47:24

Much easier to enjoy it when the results are good. Nice work. I was on the wrong side.

Post by YC6211 | 2020-08-19 | 01:47:38

My partner sure is glad it's over. She was getting sick of the 1am alarms. I thought the race was supposed to get easier once we left the Med. Boy was I wrong!

Post by jadanton | 2020-08-21 | 12:32:19

Post by turtle 1663 | 2020-08-08 | 10:19:28
All of a sudden I�m nearly 1h behind the leaders :-( looks like I was set back/penalized for shouting out. Damn frogs

don't be rude, it's got nothing to do with "frogs" !

and you're not penalized for shooting out !!